Ant, was the MK I.V an "official" prototype... for Arbiter ?

[Laundromat]

It's obvious they just took a Vox Distortion Booster or a MKI.5 and stuck a face on it.

Or the other way around.

[Philip]

Meaning Sola took a FF? The Vox and Sola quite clearly pre date the FF, no?

[Philip]

So many timetravellers have become interested in this that they needed to invent LSD in order to cover their tracks

[get_with_it]

Hello

Well - the way I understood it is we made a bunch of pedals for loads of different companies with various circuits in them with a view to making pedals for them .

But don't read anything sinister into what I said - I was just trying to say the 1.5 circuit became the fuzz face - Personally , I think it was via the Fuzz Bug we made for Dallas who were obviously very closely linked to Arbiter . In short I was just trying to say we've made some cool fuzz pedals and that's why We've written a book .

So - feel free to call it iffy sales talk - i really wasn't trying to say anything of great magnitude or saying anyone copied or ripped ff anyone else - I was just being interviewed whilst being a bit ill in a really noisy place - it was horrible !!!

AND I LOOK REALLY FAT !¬!!!!

Ant

[Electric Warrior]

Meaning Sola took a FF? The Vox and Sola quite clearly pre date the FF, no?

Yeah. The MK1.5 must have been introduced early in 1966, maybe even earlier. The earliest Fuzz Faces seem to date to fall of 1966. Some early british Vox Distortion Boosters were FZ-1 based, btw. We have no idea when Vox started selling the shunt-series feedback amplifier types.

The Fuzz Face was clearly based on a MK1.5 and not a Distortion Booster or italian Vox Tone Bender.

Hello

Well - the way I understood it is we made a bunch of pedals for loads of different companies with various circuits in them with a view to making pedals for them .

But don't read anything sinister into what I said - I was just trying to say the 1.5 circuit became the fuzz face - Personally , I think it was via the Fuzz Bug we made for Dallas who were obviously very closely linked to Arbiter . In short I was just trying to say we've made some cool fuzz pedals and that's why We've written a book .

So - feel free to call it iffy sales talk - i really wasn't trying to say anything of great magnitude or saying anyone copied or ripped ff anyone else - I was just being interviewed whilst being a bit ill in a really noisy place - it was horrible !!!

AND I LOOK REALLY FAT !¬!!!!

Ant

That would have been made for Dallas, no? Were they already involved with Arbiter at that point?

[Philip]

Some early british Vox Distortion Boosters were FZ-1 based, btw. We have no idea when Vox started selling the shunt-series feedback amplifier types.

[Electric Warrior]

According to this site Dallas aquired Arbiter Electronics in 1965. It all makes sense.
http://soundcitysite.com/history_2.htm

[stella_blues]

So circuit wise, what’s the difference between a MK1.5, Fuzz Face and the Italian Vox tonebender, and what makes them all sound so different?

[Philip]

So what Ant said is essentially right.

[rafmax]

Thanks Ant

Hello

Well - the way I understood it is we made a bunch of pedals for loads of different companies with various circuits in them with a view to making pedals for them .
Ant